With Peter Capaldi, Alex Kingston, Matt Lucas, Greg Davies. I agree with that. And I suppose, if it's one last chance to say it, Rose Tyler. River has been more divisive than almost any other character in Doctor Who history. The relationship between 10th and Rose was a very human love relationship. And I can always see you. I don't think he loves her, more that he feels responsible for her becoming the way she was. It was November 2017. There's just no room for Ten in there, and he knew it. I think the long night together proves he does love her back in as much as it's within his ability to. He has always been flirty, ex. Alternatively, what if the marriage was not done out of love. Anonymous. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. It also seems that anytime River claims the Doctor doesn't love her, the Doctor looks rather uncomfortable (or at least 12 did). Their wedding is where most of my questions come from, it just seemed like the Doctor was just marrying her so that she would help fix time. I view it as they've met in the middle, and now she's starting to pass him going th other way. For him to be able to dedicate and spend over twenty years consecutively with one person like that is substantial. That's why she saves him. Warm, romantic, and pleasantly restful — Netflix's Virgin River is this year's most unexpected hit show. (C) The river looks strikingly different at sunset from the way it appears at dawn. On the other hand, it seems pretty apparent that the Doctor also never confirms that he loves River, despite various things like getting married and telling River his name. Dr Masaru Emoto, the Japanese scientist and water researcher, revealed the true nature of water and how thoughts and vibrations affect the molecular structure of water. So he could still be very much moving towards falling in love with her, but not quite there in his timeline. Passion, insecurity, heartbreak. Directed by Jeremy Webb. (The new Doctor whispers in Rose's ear, and she kisses him). I think she's only half wrong, but I think it's also his nature that makes it a problem. Depends what kind of love you talk of. (A) The experienced pilot is now able to "read" the river rather than marvel at its beauty. Look how bored and restless he got spending much less time with Amy and Rory in everyday life. There is no chance he has to take. I feel the show isn't always great at making these things obvious, or being consistent about them, but if you look for it there are moments when it really works), I think 11th did come to love River (TATM made that pretty clear imo), but it is the type of childlike semi-platonic love that is at times hard to distinguish from close friendship. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. From Amy as her Raggedy Man and from her brainwashers. (TV: A Good Man Goes to War) Melody's mother, Amy Pond, remained unaware that she was pregnant for a while, so she continued enjoying her honeymoon. It also seems that anytime River claims the Doctor doesn't love her, the Doctor looks rather uncomfortable (or at least 12 did). Press J to jump to the feed. He never really knows when he has seen her for the last time. I think he already did it without us knowing, in "let's kill Hitler". It's more flirty, but also more childlike and innocent. If you want to get technical - the wedding was not valid. I'll be the first to admit I am a Rose fan but this stem from more than that. I know from other folk's previous questions that some of you share my suspicion that at some point in his future, the Doctor will be killed by River Song. Maybe Time Lords express their love differently or Matt Smith doesn't know how to act in love or what (which would be shocking, as he's a great actor), but I've never gotten the feeling that the Doctor loves River nearly as much as she loves him. She told us that “a million, million voices” want the Doctor to live. I thought that story arch was more or less completely because she had got to the point where he didn't know her and he got to the point where she didn't really know him, after that I thought they were in sync until she dies. Companions have come and gone but we all know how every one of those instances ended - with the Doctor alone in the TARDIS, letting her take him away someplace ways away to forget the pain. Her history in the weeping angels story seemed to suggest that: that Bishop/army guy didn't want the Doctor to work out who she was, else he mightn't help them, and if she had killed him, you can imagine he might not want to. what else would he tell her for her future as River Song? Yes. madness!" The Doctor never admits directly that they love someone. I have to live on. What would have happened if she never acknowledged that she knew him? Directed by Douglas Mackinnon. The Doctor has been married a number of times throughout many canons. 5 years ago. You say he never confirms it, but I don't know how else to take this other than River's pessimism being dead wrong: River: When you love the Doctor, it's like loving the stars themselves! If he'd have turned around and said "No, Rose, I was going to say I love you and I always will", she's still stuck pining after a man in another universe who'll never settle down and who's going to outlive her species. ROSE: And you, Doctor? Madame de Pompadour. I'm not a huge fan of River, but I do really like the time-crossed lovers idea and wanted to see it fleshed out further, so the alternative theory helps me sleep at night. One night he … But then as they travel, he sees her as a reliable friend. I don't think the relationship between River and the Doctor is a romantic one, at least not from his end. So what do you think? Brian learned the love of travel from his son, and unlike some other parents of Doctor's companions, he seemed comfortable in the Time Lord's presence. Even accounting for 12 being less manic than 11, I think that is a big deal. Silence in the Library has shown us that much at least. From his perspective, he hasn't spend enough time with her - there are still events yet to experience, that the River we have met has already experienced. She herself admits that there wasn't anyone else she would have fallen in love with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfK8y7KVADo. The Doctor and Dr. Song, a cosmic outlaw who rivals The Doctor … Because, you are right, the marriage seems to be a way to get River help mend time. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. River Song is The Doctor’s wedded wife, and never before in television has there been a more long-distance marriage. There she sees the miniaturized Doctor and realizes that he is inside the Teselecta ship and will not actually die if time's flow is restored. https://youtu.be/BgVJDd5vHfw for anyone that don’t remember the scene. (TV: A Christmas Carol)Amy was kidnapped and replaced with a living flesh doppelgänger during or shortly after her honeymoon. I'm not really here. The doctor grows older, but his wife keeps the firm, porcelained skin she's always had. Of course if this doesn't pan out and we don't see that relationship developing as it should then I would agree that he doesn't love her, not like he loved Rose. Virgin River premiered on Netflix in December 2019, and viewers fell in love with the residents of the fictional northern California town. First Doctor Susan. He sought to bring Christianity, commerce, and “civilization” to Africa and undertook three extensive expeditions throughout much of the continent. But that it's a more innocent and childlike love. The ganger functioned as an avata… Rampant speculation begins among town rumor … Virgin River took Netflix by storm in December 2019, and the story of nurse/midwife Melinda Monroe (Alexandra Breckenridge) immediately captured our hearts. I’d go even further and say that the whole episode is really about how two people can be in love but never quite on the same page; the Doctor spends the first half wondering if he really meant all that much to her, and River herself is adamant that he does not love her back. I don't believe we've seen that moment he tells her his name happen yet. Look at how happy he is when she turns up at the start too, and he’s having a blast for most of the episode. The last words in David Lean's "The Bridge on the River Kwai" are "Madness! That first one was Ten throwing himself on the grenade for the sake of Rose's happiness, though; or at least that's how I always saw it. When I last stood on this beach, on the worst day of my life, what was the last thing you said to me? Consider this scene: DOCTOR: Quite right, too. So in a sense, while specifically wrong, the principle of her attitude was correct. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is something I've thought a lot on - a lot of people really really WANT those two to be a married couple, to the point where a bunch of angry fans go "OMG BUT HEZ MURRIED!! I love you. Yes, there was that "Rose, I..." moment, but the sentence was left unfinished for a reason: so that all the fans could enjoy their own interpretation of their relationship. Do you agree with River that the Doctor never loved her, or do you think the Doctor loved River in his own way? He knows River Song is going to die after the first time she met him. River grew up hearing about the Doctor from every single angle. David Lean, director of such landmark epics as Lawrence of Arabia and Doctor Zhivago, didn't always make giant movies.His first epic was his twelfth film: The Bridge on the River … Cookies help us deliver our Services. I would say he sneaks her out, I think she's capable of that on her own but she is definitely a reliable friend. When a crashed spaceship calls upon the Doctor for help, he finds himself recruited into River Song's squad and hurled into a chase across the galaxy. The Doctor and River escape to the top of the pyramid followed by Amy and Rory. Tbh I don't even count the audio books as part of River's timeline just because in Silence in the Library she explicitly states that 10 is the youngest she has ever seen the Doctor. It wasn't the Doctor, it was the Tesselecta, he didn't tell her his name, and so on. The 10th Doctor was much more human and mature, the 11th is much more alien and childlike. I don't think the relationship between River and the Doctor is a romantic one, at least not from his end. In my mind, if the Doctor was ever going to have even the slightest chance of being romantic with someone, it could've been Idris. Go on, say it. This from “The Name of the Doctor”. The Doctor: You can spend the rest of your life with me, but I can't spend the rest of mine with you. Dr Raba al-Sayed looked across the Euphrates river towards her family home in the east Syrian town of Al-Bukamal in Deir ez-Zor and was gripped by trepidation. The relationship between 11th and River is very different. To me it is entirely possible that the Doctor does truly love River. I think Idris prefers the name Sexy! I think at first the Doctor is intrigued by her, and wants to learn more. I thought it would hurt me... and I was right. Then there’s ‘secondary canon’, ie Big Finish. To me, it seems like obsession. I honestly believe that he is married (emotionally) to the TARDIS; they are true partners in travelling and fleeing. Alone. No other character brought out the fun side of Twelve quite like River did. While the doctor might in the moment be personal and friendly.... His real nature transcends that. David Livingstone was a Scottish missionary, doctor, abolitionist, and explorer who lived in the 1800s. He knows she and him will be together and that she will die. Others should also consider this scene from School Reunion. Though this may not have begun until AFTER they got married. The doctor sells the doll's diamond-eardrop eyes, and when he wants to sell its porcelain, his wife tells him the ants ate the doll because it had been filled with honey. So what do you think? The Doctor: No. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. With the Eleventh Doctor now passed into Whovian memory, it would seem that the Era of River Song has ended as well. Besides the absolutely incredible final 15 minutes of ‘The Husbands of River Song’ which has already been discussed (although I still can’t resist quoting it - “and he is certainly not in love enough to find himself standing in it with me!”) there’s his heartbreak after leaving Darillium and the fact that he kept her picture on his desk for presumably the whole time he was at St Luke’s - definitely notable that he considered her and Susan to be the most important people from his past. DOCTOR: Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference? Of course she was supposed to kill him. [2] In the seventh series opener " Asylum of the Daleks " it is revealed that Amy's experiences on … Both of you, answer me this. "There's only one way I'd accept, if you ever loved me, say it like you're going to come back" "well then, see you around". That's the curse of the Time Lords. I regenerate. I think personal love and affection from an entity like the doctor is something that works be expressed in a way fundamentally different from how it would be expressed by a regular person. Doctor loves Rose. Part … I love River as a character I just don't think their relationship is everything some people's make it out to be. This scenic fictional town has many stories, but the romance between Mel and Jack, who have their respective tragic pasts, forms the fulcrum of the show. (So I'd feel really disappointed if they somehow had him fall for Clara or something). What was the end of that sentence? I just haven't really seen the Doctor's feeling towards her, not really. To carry on the sun/star metaphor, I think the Doctor does love people... but like the sun he shines on everyone. A community dedicated to discussions and news for Doctor Who. But the Doctor also sneaks her out of prison at night, and they go out on dates. The alternate fourth Doctor was very much in love with her in The Diary of River Song Series Four, then of course there’s Six... Just regarding the photos on his desk, I'd say Susan and River are not necessarily the only two he cared about that deeply at that point, but perhaps of those he cared about they're the ones he feels the least guilt/pain when looking at their faces, particularly when you think about the tragic fates of many modern companions. Oshun, also spelled Osun, an orisha (deity) of the Yoruba people of southwestern Nigeria.Oshun is commonly called the river orisha, or goddess, in the Yoruba religion and is typically associated with water, purity, fertility, love, and sensuality.She is considered one of the most powerful of all orishas, and, like other gods, she possesses human attributes such as vanity, jealousy, and spite. Yes and yes. Maybe pull a Sarah Jane Smith and show up in future doctors. He needed that moment to solidify her commitment to him to make sure she'd go through with it, and to get the opportunity for her to look into his eyes up close and see the mini-Doctor inside. And he will, in a way. The Doctor marries River on the spot and whispers to her to look into his eye. Mel arrives in the small, tight-knit town in search of a fresh start, but for much of season one, her past remains a mystery, only to be unveiled through a series of dramatic flashbacks. And while it should be bittersweet, it is also honestly something of a relief. But one woman refuses to let time take its course. 0 0. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. !1" whenever a joke is made about the Doctor flirting with anyone. It was the type of relationship the 10th, as a rather human Doctor, would have. He's getting younger, in her time line. Platonic love or romantic love? ROSE: Yeah, and how was that sentence going to end? Source(s): doctor love rose tyler: https://biturl.im/HBge7. Tennant sold it so well how torn he was. Maybe but I kinda figured she was more or less done one the show. I don't think he was or should've been romantic with Rose either. April 22nd, 2011; 5:02pm. Posted this twice because my phone replied to the wrong person. Although the film's two most important characters are both mad, the hero more than the villain, we're not quite certain what is intended by that final dialogue. But, more frustratingly, River never truly got her romantic due as the Doctor’s wife. The love and reason for the marriage is hashed out in great detail. Just my opinion though. Not, importantly, in the sense that it's fake or not real or something stupid like that. In his years of water research, through high speed photography of thousands of water crystals, Dr Emoto has shown the most beautiful crystals are those formed after the water is exposed to the words 'love and gratitude.' To kill him would not only betray her love for him, it would betray the love the universe holds for the Doctor. Regular visitors to this blog will know that my love for her is unending. Their entire relationship is based on the fact that she is along a child a time and that she already knew what was going to happen. If you want to get technical - the wedding was not valid. The Doctor: I don't age. (I actually really like how if you rewatch some of the scenes with the young River Song, especially "Nights with the Doctor" you can see how who is the child and who is the grown-up started out with the Doctor as the grown-up and ended up switching later. You don't expect a sunset to admire you back! Personally, I don't think the Doctor is or should be romantic with River. As he lay dying from the poison he whispers a message to River Song to the newly regenerated Melody Pond and the content is so profound and loving it leads her to order the Teselecta to show her who this River Song is that he cares so much for. But that perfectly fits how 11th's character has been established and portrayed. River makes a point of it that she knows the Doctor doesn't love her, but the Doctor never confirms that. I think there are elements missing from the River Song story. (D) The river is suffering as a result of pollution and physical decay. But he does eventually tell her his name. The thing is the Doctor had a platonic love for Clara but fell in love with Rose romantically. I mean, dear god, the smile he has when he teases her about the "stars themselves" bit... Oh absolutely, that moment is magical! The real question I think is does she realise that he doesn't really love her, or does she actually think it's mutual? ROSE: All right. Which is disappointing because that was initially the tragic beauty to their relationship. Do you love your Best Friend? But her compliance would not only cause River to lose the Doctor, it would cause the whole universe to lose the Doctor (in her mind). haha. On the other hand, it seems pretty apparent that the Doctor also never confirms that he loves River, despite various things like getting married and telling River his name. The Doctor is, at their core, alien and unknowable and very, very old. He's just seen what happens if he's indecisive or gives her hope: she becomes the woman who spends the rest of her life bouncing from parallel to parallel to find him again. I think her attitude is appropriate. Their happy ending is that they finally get to be together, albeit only for a little time, at the end of River’s life. (B) The older man has grown bored with life on the river and simply wants to return home. They're married, but often it feels more like two young children playing house. The Doctor: Because I thought it would hurt too much. Just last month, it was announced that Tennant will reunite with Alex Kingston for three stories that feature The Doctor and Professor River Song crossing paths after they first met in The Library. Also, "how do I say it?" (Especially in a flirty way). I mean she would kill Clara because she's all flirty and kissy and cute, not to mention an enigma. But he hasn't fallen in love with her yet, I don't think. But humans decay; you wither and you die. Not as weighed down with passion and emotional baggage and sexual tension would be another way to put it. It wasn't the Doctor, it was the Tesselecta, he didn't tell her his name, and so on. Unfortunately, I think the whole 'going two different directions in time' thing has been relatively dropped. Reddit's Doctor Who Fan Community - News, Discussion, Artwork and Fan Creations! The end. River Song was created by Doctor Who writer Steven Moffat for the show's fourth series in 2008, under the tenure of then executive producer Russell T Davies.When Moffat took over Davies' duties as executive producer, he began expanding on the character's background, depicting adventures earlier in River's timeline, upgrading Alex Kingston from a guest star to a recurring actor in the series. How can one possibly compare that? Relevant quotes from A Good Man Goes to War and The Husbands of River Song were already given. He does flirt back with her, and make sure he looks ok if he knows she will be outside the TARDIS. The Doctor: You are always here to me, and I always listen. Having finally accepted his fate the Doctor travels to Lake Silencio for his final day. The fact is, Peter Capaldi's Doctor was always going to be the one that brought River's story to its close. Cookies help us deliver our Services. We've seen her love for HIM - in her first episode (and death) in Silence in the Library, and their wedding. She will need it in her future and his past, in "Silence in The Library", to get his mind on the job and off the mystery of her by getting him to trust her. Imo I don't think it's fair to compare the Rose-10th relationship to the River-11th relationship, because for all intents and purposes 10th and 11th are two different people. In a time where coziness and comfort are foremost priorities, the Alexandra Breckenridge and Martin Henderson-starrer delivers. That was the only time I ever got the actual utter love vibe from him, as in - I want to spend the rest of my life with you. You win. God that first scene broke my heart. Press J to jump to the feed. The Netflix original show, based on a series of 22 novels by Robyn Carr, follows nurse/midwife Mel Monroe's move from the big city of L.A. to tiny Virgin River in search of a serious change of pace. Even if we put the "wedding" aside - he's just not 'there' emotionally, he doesn't trust her as far as he could throw her if he has any choice in the matter and whenever she appears she annoys him more than anything else. So he goes cold, and almost flippant. River: How are you even doing that? With Matt Smith, Karen Gillan, Arthur Darvill, Alex Kingston. From this point onwards, they both seem to know each other to the same degree, as if they're finally in-sync. "The only water in the forest is the river," the phrase River uses to explain why the people of the Gamma Forest translate "Pond" to "River," was first said to Rory by Idris in "The Doctor's Wife." Knowing what happened the first time he met her must make it much harder for the doctor. well i was looking at youtube doctor who stuff and i started to wonder does the Doctor really love Rose because i already know that Rose loves the doctor. And if I happen to find myself in danger, let me tell you: the Doctor is not stupid enough, or sentimental enough, and he is certainly not in love enough to find himself standing in it with me! 7 Worst: Captain Jack Harkness It could be difficult for fans of the charismatic Captain Jack Harkness to imagine that Jack could be bad at anything. And then Handy steps in to do what he couldn't, and Rose gets her happy ending. Melody was conceived soon after her parents' wedding, aboard the Doctor's TARDIS while transiting the Time Vortex. I'm reminded of Ego in guardians of the galaxy's explanation of "Brandy", and that to truly love a force of nature like that, you have to accept that there is a limit to what their loving you back can look like. For the best answers, search on this site https://shorturl.im/axsuJ. 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